Comments for Delphi.NET previewed at SD West

Delphi.NET previewed at SD West

2002-06-06T13:08:21-07:00

I have been using Delphi since D1 and I continue to use Delphi (D6) because of the superiority of the product and the relative ease of use. However, I have been experimenting and coding with C# (in Visual studio .NET) for the past 6 months. C# is also a beautiful language. Sometimes I get confused when coding - it sometimes seems very Delphi-like (don't you think?).Anyway, I am using C# (and Visual Studio .NET) because personally, I found it easier to use to build web apps rather than the WebSnap architecture in D6. However, with the coming of Delphi.NET (to be released soon?) I am expecting Borland to produce a superior development environment for building modern Windows and Web application.I expect Delphi.NET to have ALL the "good" things found in Visual Studio .NET for web app development (i.e. better and more drag-and-drop functionality, true two-way visual development, etc). Include ALL the "good" things NOT found in the Microsoft product. For example, third party components can only be "referenced" in the VS .NET IDE. Never really being part of that IDE. Even the Speech library developed my Microsoft can only be referenced. You can't import and find it on a pallet (to drag and drop) like you can do even in Delphi 5 (or even 4?).Briefly speaking, I expect Borland to continue to produce a superior IDE (like they did in the past) to that released by Microsoft. If not, I will have to continue with the "better" IDE Microsoft currently presents for web app development (i.e. Visual Studio .NET) Finally, is it out of place to suggest that Borland include C# (once it is standardized) with C++ Builder and/or Delphi? Why? well... C# to me is just a better form of C++. If you ask me, it is almost as simple and easy as Delphi. Since Borland is better at doing "everything" (almost) and C# will be marketed by the "Giant" to the point where it will be the most numerous programming subject in the book stores, I suggest that Borland "steal" the show without any delay. "Free" marketing of C# is guaranteed (but do not reveal you plans to include C#. Just do it!!).Thank you for your time_______________________Alister L John

Delphi.NET previewed at SD West

2002-05-21T18:18:35-07:00

This is a good news. When will be issue ?

re: First

2002-05-15T03:42:04-07:00

Danny said:> Those who have been working for months on BorCon > preparations are a little disappointed in these sloppy demos Agreed - I think that's a fair comment.Dave

re: First

2002-05-13T18:22:59-07:00

BorCon is our information disclosure event of the year, where we update everyone on what we've accomplished and what we're working toward.The unplanned and unorganized Tech Ed and SD West demos preempted the planned, organized BorCon release of information scheduled for next week. Those who have been working for months on BorCon preparations are a little disappointed in these sloppy demos that do little more than create confusion. There will be no room for speculation at the close of my BorCon sessions.On your point about "the bulk of the work": The bulk of the "value" of the Delphi software development methodology lies in the IDE tools and class framework, but I disagree with your assumption that the IDE is where Borland spends most of its R&D effort. The IDE is the tip of the iceberg.-Danny

re: First

2002-05-13T03:37:26-07:00

> Many will simply take the speculation as fact and > develop their own expectations independent of reality. Well, perhaps there's a lesson for Borland here too? It might make more sense to be a little more open about exactly what's being previewed. In the screenshot that kicked this all off, I believe that the D6 IDE was doing nothing except acting as a text editor. You may as well have used Notepad. It's terrific that you've got DCCIL producing .NET executables, but -- as I'm sure you'd agree -- the bulk of the work centers around IDE and class framework issues. Greater openness equals less "rampant speculation", right? ;-)Dave

re: First

2002-05-10T17:18:33-07:00

>>If you had read the *whole* thread before commenting, Danny, you'd have seen that was precisely the conclusion that was arrived at.<

re: First

2002-05-09T07:12:04-07:00

Danny Thorpe said:> Here's just one possible (and much simpler) alternate > explanation: The controls might have been constructed by > hand in code in the constructorIf you had read the *whole* thread before commenting, Danny, you'd have seen that was precisely the conclusion that was arrived at.> The development schedule is hard enough as it is > without additional "irrational exhuberance."However exuberant I may or may not be, please be assured that I will endeavour to remain rational at all times. We hope that the same can be said of the development schedule, and indeed, the development strategy... ;-)Dave

re: First

2002-05-08T21:15:00-07:00

It's just a demo, guys. Settle down. Demos prove nothing except that imaginations see what they want to see.There are plenty of other reasons why Reflector does not show component fields inside the form class besides "It has to be DFM magic!!" Here's just one possible (and much simpler) alternate explanation: The controls might have been constructed by hand in code in the constructor. Anyone who visited the Borland booth at TechEd and SD West could test these theories by scrolling down the code editor window.I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please keep speculations under control. The development schedule is hard enough as it is without additional "irrational exhuberance."All will be revealed at BorCon.-Danny Thorpe

Thanks

2002-05-03T13:54:25-07:00

Thanks, Dave. I'll buy that book.

re: Recommendations?

2002-05-03T11:46:46-07:00

Hi Martin. I think no matter what Delphi.Net ends up looking like, or when it finally ships, it's going to be important to have a good grasp of the .NET framework classes because Borland aren't going to "pascalize" everything and if Delphi is as .NET compatible as it ought to be(!), then they shouldn't need to. This is the same as saying that VCL doesn't encompass everything, and it's always good to have some understanding of the underlying Windows API.So, if you're after some good bedtime reading, I'd go with books such as "Professional .NET Framework" by Wrox or others that get you up to speed with the programming environment rather than concentrating on specific language issues. Dave